We are placing the factual God.
Prabhupäda: People, generally, they have no idea of God. We are placing the factual God. That is very difficult to understand. Generally they think it is an idea, fiction. But we don't think like that. We have got clear conception of God. That is the difference between our Society and all any other religious groups. They have no clear idea of God. They simply say that there is God, God is great, but no clearer.
Yadubara: I think a lot of other societies make compromises.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Yadubara: Many other societies make compromises. Many other religious groups make compromises in their doctrine.
Prabhupäda: Yes, because they have no clear idea. They cannot push forward their concept. Just like the other day (indistinct) lady, she asked if Kåñëa was a naughty boy. Yes, because He is God He must be naughty boy. Otherwise, wherefrom this idea of naughty boy comes if that quality is not in God? God is the origin of everything, creator of everything. So if He hasn't got this naughtiness in His person, then how this thing comes to be? That is the Vedänta version, janmädy asya yataù [SB 1.1.1]. The Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which or from whom everything emanates. So wherefrom this naughtiness comes if it is not in the person of God? Wherefrom this stealing propensity comes if it is not in God? But because He is absolute, His stealing is also as good as his blessing. Mäkhan-cora. Kåñëa is stealing butter, that is worshiped, mäkhana, by the very name. Just like in another temple, Kñéra-cora-gopénätha. Gopénätha is known as condensed milk thief, Kñéra-cora. He is famous by the name cora, thief. But that cora and this cora, you cannot compare. He is famous as cora, or thief, but thousands of people go every day to worship that cora, that thief. And in the material, if one is known as thief, then thousands of people will beat him with shoes. (laughter) That is the difference. If you say, "Oh, Kåñëa was a thief, then I can become a thief," then your will be beating of shoes on your head, and Kåñëa will be eternally worshiped because He is thief. That is the difference. That is Absolute. He will be worshiped as thief, and He will be worshiped as very honest. That is Absolute. (aside:) No, no, this (indistinct) is not good. I will take little fruit.
Kåñëa is a woman-hunter. That is the highest pastimes of Kåñëa, räsa-lélä. But here if a man becomes woman-hunter, he will be most abominable person. That is the mistake of the people: they consider Kåñëa as ordinary man. Avajänanti mäà müòhä [Bg. 9.11]. They are rascals, fools, mänuñéà tanum äçritam. This sense has to be learned-Kåñëa, how He is Absolute in all circumstance. Kåñëa is teaching, "Just go and tell little lie to Droëäcärya." People will be surprised, how God is teaching somebody that "You go and tell this lie"? So they become bewildered. So one has to understand actually what is Kåñëa's position in all circumstances. That requires intelligence. (aside:) What is this?
Çyämasundara: It's salt and pepper.
Prabhupäda: No, no. One has to learn how Kåñëa is always God in any circumstance. And if he can understand this philosophy, then Kåñëa says in the Bhagavad-gétä he becomes immediately liberated. Janma karma me divyaà ye jänäti tattvataù. "My activities, My birth, they are all transcendental. One who understands in truth," tyaktvä dehaà punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9], "after leaving this body, he no more comes to this material." That means we can be liberated simply by understanding His activities. All the qualities are described in the Nectar of Devotion. He has got sixty-four qualities. Unlimited qualities, but for our understanding, Rüpa Gosvämé only discussed sixty-four. Just see, that lady was speaking that she speaks to thousands and thousands of people. How ignorant she is about God. She was inquiring, "Kåñëa is not..." That means she cannot understand Kåñëa. And she is leader, thousands of people she is speaking. What is the use of her speaking if she has no clear idea? This is going on. Useless speaking. In India also, so many fools, they are accepted as very perfect.
Yadubara: I think a lot of other societies make compromises.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Yadubara: Many other societies make compromises. Many other religious groups make compromises in their doctrine.
Prabhupäda: Yes, because they have no clear idea. They cannot push forward their concept. Just like the other day (indistinct) lady, she asked if Kåñëa was a naughty boy. Yes, because He is God He must be naughty boy. Otherwise, wherefrom this idea of naughty boy comes if that quality is not in God? God is the origin of everything, creator of everything. So if He hasn't got this naughtiness in His person, then how this thing comes to be? That is the Vedänta version, janmädy asya yataù [SB 1.1.1]. The Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which or from whom everything emanates. So wherefrom this naughtiness comes if it is not in the person of God? Wherefrom this stealing propensity comes if it is not in God? But because He is absolute, His stealing is also as good as his blessing. Mäkhan-cora. Kåñëa is stealing butter, that is worshiped, mäkhana, by the very name. Just like in another temple, Kñéra-cora-gopénätha. Gopénätha is known as condensed milk thief, Kñéra-cora. He is famous by the name cora, thief. But that cora and this cora, you cannot compare. He is famous as cora, or thief, but thousands of people go every day to worship that cora, that thief. And in the material, if one is known as thief, then thousands of people will beat him with shoes. (laughter) That is the difference. If you say, "Oh, Kåñëa was a thief, then I can become a thief," then your will be beating of shoes on your head, and Kåñëa will be eternally worshiped because He is thief. That is the difference. That is Absolute. He will be worshiped as thief, and He will be worshiped as very honest. That is Absolute. (aside:) No, no, this (indistinct) is not good. I will take little fruit.
Kåñëa is a woman-hunter. That is the highest pastimes of Kåñëa, räsa-lélä. But here if a man becomes woman-hunter, he will be most abominable person. That is the mistake of the people: they consider Kåñëa as ordinary man. Avajänanti mäà müòhä [Bg. 9.11]. They are rascals, fools, mänuñéà tanum äçritam. This sense has to be learned-Kåñëa, how He is Absolute in all circumstance. Kåñëa is teaching, "Just go and tell little lie to Droëäcärya." People will be surprised, how God is teaching somebody that "You go and tell this lie"? So they become bewildered. So one has to understand actually what is Kåñëa's position in all circumstances. That requires intelligence. (aside:) What is this?
Çyämasundara: It's salt and pepper.
Prabhupäda: No, no. One has to learn how Kåñëa is always God in any circumstance. And if he can understand this philosophy, then Kåñëa says in the Bhagavad-gétä he becomes immediately liberated. Janma karma me divyaà ye jänäti tattvataù. "My activities, My birth, they are all transcendental. One who understands in truth," tyaktvä dehaà punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9], "after leaving this body, he no more comes to this material." That means we can be liberated simply by understanding His activities. All the qualities are described in the Nectar of Devotion. He has got sixty-four qualities. Unlimited qualities, but for our understanding, Rüpa Gosvämé only discussed sixty-four. Just see, that lady was speaking that she speaks to thousands and thousands of people. How ignorant she is about God. She was inquiring, "Kåñëa is not..." That means she cannot understand Kåñëa. And she is leader, thousands of people she is speaking. What is the use of her speaking if she has no clear idea? This is going on. Useless speaking. In India also, so many fools, they are accepted as very perfect.
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