Two millions years ago a Subway from Ceylon to Brazil
Devotee (1): Just like Rävaëa could not reach the heavenly planets just by building the staircase.
Prabhupäda: That was his only demonic proposal, that "We make staircase." He said that "Why you are undergoing so much austerities to go to the heavenly planets? I shall make a staircase. You will go."
Amogha: How high did he make it?
Prabhupäda: He never attempted. He simply bluffed, that's all. So demons' proposals are like that. Therefore it is a common say in, hearsay in the, in India, that rävaëe sarge sini(?): "The proposal is just like Rävaëa proposed to make a staircase to the heavenly planets." He was also very much advanced materially, very prosperous materially. Gold was very common thing. He brought gold from Brazil through the subway. His brother was king there, in southern America.
Amogha: Kumbhakarëa?
Prabhupäda: No, Mahérävaëa. Mahé, mahé means the earth. He used to go through the subway, through the earth. So other side there was another Rävaëa. That is Mahérävaëa.
Devotee (1): He built the subway?
Prabhupäda: Yes. The subway is still there, Brazil. Somebody said?
Paramahaàsa: Well, they found some parts of a subway there, some big tunnel. But they don't know where it goes, though.
Prabhupäda: Yes, yes. That is from Ceylon to Brazil, subway. And Rävaëa's civilization, Rämacandra's fight, some millions of years ago. That is in the Tretä-yuga. The duration of Kali-yuga is about, say, four lakhs of years. And Dväpara-yuga, eight lakhs of years. And then Tretä-yuga, twelve lakhs of years.
Paramahaàsa: About two millions years ago, Tretä-yuga.
Prabhupäda: Yes. No, why? Twenty lakhs, ah, two million, yes. Two millions of years ago the Rävaëa's civilization was there, and he was so prosperous. He had airplane. The zeplin, zeplin?
Amogha: Jet plane?
Prabhupäda: Not jet, zeplin.
Amogha: Oh, with the air and gas inside.
Prabhupäda: Yes. His son's name was Meghadüta. He was flying above the cloud. Therefore his name was Megha. Megha means cloud. They were so much advanced in civilization.
Paramahaàsa: What kind of civilization was in South America at that time?
Prabhupäda: The same like. Therefore these Mexicans, South American, they resemble therefore almost Indian body.
Amogha: They also eat food... They eat a food similar to the cäpäöi.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Amogha: Tortillas.
Prabhupäda: Cäpäöi, in Middle East also they eat.
Devotee (1): Yes, in Lebanon.
Paramahaàsa: In Tehran we saw those big cäpäöis.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Paramahaàsa: Six feet long.
Prabhupäda: Yes, so big. One cäpäöi is sufficient for the whole family. They are sold in market, purchased.
Çrutakérti: Very cheaply.
Paramahaàsa: Only three or four cents apiece.
Prabhupäda: Äcchä?
Paramahaàsa: Yeah.
Prabhupäda: They don't make much profit. That is the oriental culture. They make little profit; they are satisfied. Still in India you will find many hotel, very cheap, very cheap. Especially Mohammedan hotels. Still, by paying eight annas, you can get full meal.
Devotee (1): When Rävaëa was on the earth, was the whole earth populated, like Brazil and also the other parts of the world?
Prabhupäda: Yes. Everywhere population. This is a new theory of the rascals that there was no civilization before three thousand years. This is wrong theory. Everything was there.
Devotee (1): So when Mahäräja Yayäti banished his sons to those kingdoms, they were already populated there.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes.
Paramahaàsa: They seem to be pretty much kñatriya races.
Prabhupäda: And during Kurukñetra fight, all different kings joined, either to this party or that party.
Amogha: Oh, from all over the world.
Prabhupäda: It was first-grade world war, Kurukñetra. There is the one king, Çaibya, he came from Çibiya. Where is Çibiya?
Amogha: Siberia?
Prabhupäda: Çibiya.
Amogha: Oh, Çibiya? That's Africa.
Prabhupäda: That was his only demonic proposal, that "We make staircase." He said that "Why you are undergoing so much austerities to go to the heavenly planets? I shall make a staircase. You will go."
Amogha: How high did he make it?
Prabhupäda: He never attempted. He simply bluffed, that's all. So demons' proposals are like that. Therefore it is a common say in, hearsay in the, in India, that rävaëe sarge sini(?): "The proposal is just like Rävaëa proposed to make a staircase to the heavenly planets." He was also very much advanced materially, very prosperous materially. Gold was very common thing. He brought gold from Brazil through the subway. His brother was king there, in southern America.
Amogha: Kumbhakarëa?
Prabhupäda: No, Mahérävaëa. Mahé, mahé means the earth. He used to go through the subway, through the earth. So other side there was another Rävaëa. That is Mahérävaëa.
Devotee (1): He built the subway?
Prabhupäda: Yes. The subway is still there, Brazil. Somebody said?
Paramahaàsa: Well, they found some parts of a subway there, some big tunnel. But they don't know where it goes, though.
Prabhupäda: Yes, yes. That is from Ceylon to Brazil, subway. And Rävaëa's civilization, Rämacandra's fight, some millions of years ago. That is in the Tretä-yuga. The duration of Kali-yuga is about, say, four lakhs of years. And Dväpara-yuga, eight lakhs of years. And then Tretä-yuga, twelve lakhs of years.
Paramahaàsa: About two millions years ago, Tretä-yuga.
Prabhupäda: Yes. No, why? Twenty lakhs, ah, two million, yes. Two millions of years ago the Rävaëa's civilization was there, and he was so prosperous. He had airplane. The zeplin, zeplin?
Amogha: Jet plane?
Prabhupäda: Not jet, zeplin.
Amogha: Oh, with the air and gas inside.
Prabhupäda: Yes. His son's name was Meghadüta. He was flying above the cloud. Therefore his name was Megha. Megha means cloud. They were so much advanced in civilization.
Paramahaàsa: What kind of civilization was in South America at that time?
Prabhupäda: The same like. Therefore these Mexicans, South American, they resemble therefore almost Indian body.
Amogha: They also eat food... They eat a food similar to the cäpäöi.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Amogha: Tortillas.
Prabhupäda: Cäpäöi, in Middle East also they eat.
Devotee (1): Yes, in Lebanon.
Paramahaàsa: In Tehran we saw those big cäpäöis.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Paramahaàsa: Six feet long.
Prabhupäda: Yes, so big. One cäpäöi is sufficient for the whole family. They are sold in market, purchased.
Çrutakérti: Very cheaply.
Paramahaàsa: Only three or four cents apiece.
Prabhupäda: Äcchä?
Paramahaàsa: Yeah.
Prabhupäda: They don't make much profit. That is the oriental culture. They make little profit; they are satisfied. Still in India you will find many hotel, very cheap, very cheap. Especially Mohammedan hotels. Still, by paying eight annas, you can get full meal.
Devotee (1): When Rävaëa was on the earth, was the whole earth populated, like Brazil and also the other parts of the world?
Prabhupäda: Yes. Everywhere population. This is a new theory of the rascals that there was no civilization before three thousand years. This is wrong theory. Everything was there.
Devotee (1): So when Mahäräja Yayäti banished his sons to those kingdoms, they were already populated there.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes.
Paramahaàsa: They seem to be pretty much kñatriya races.
Prabhupäda: And during Kurukñetra fight, all different kings joined, either to this party or that party.
Amogha: Oh, from all over the world.
Prabhupäda: It was first-grade world war, Kurukñetra. There is the one king, Çaibya, he came from Çibiya. Where is Çibiya?
Amogha: Siberia?
Prabhupäda: Çibiya.
Amogha: Oh, Çibiya? That's Africa.
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